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Sharks Off-season plan

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Announcement this afternoon, per Brodie's Facebook. He says it might have something to do with the coaching staff.

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Is Stuart better than Murray? Yes. Should he be playing top four minutes on a supposed Cup Contender? After this past-season, I really have my doubts.

If Stuart is signed and I gotta believe he will be, Demers may very well be gone before the season starts. I get the sense DW is in love with Murray, and I doubt they are unhappy enough with Boyle to the point where they will move him.

Something like: Vlasic/Burns, Stuart/Boyle, Murray/Braun would allow DW to cry out how he fixed the problem of over-saturation with right handed defensemen, or something like that, even it means weakening the overall talent on the roster to do so.

Oh and for the contract it-self, we should make this a contest. I'ma go with 3 years/10.5 mil with a full NMC.

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Is Stuart better than Murray? Yes. Should he be playing top four minutes on a supposed Cup Contender? After this past-season, I really have my doubts.

If Stuart is signed and I gotta believe he will be, Demers may very well be gone before the season starts. I get the sense DW is in love with Murray, and I doubt they are unhappy enough with Boyle to the point where they will move him.

Something like: Vlasic/Burns, Stuart/Boyle, Murray/Braun would allow DW cry out how he fixed the problem of over-saturation with right handed defensemen, or something like that, even it means weakening the overall talent on the roster to do so.

Oh and for the contract it-self, we should make this a contest. I'ma go with 3 years/10.5 mil with a full NMC.

3 years/9.3 mil with a NTC

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The headline on TSN is "Sharks acquire Stuart from Red Wings for prospect, pick"

Andrew Murray is a prospect? :unsure::blink:

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Demers may very well be gone before the season starts. I get the sense DW is in love with Murray, and I doubt they are unhappy enough with Boyle to the point where they will move him.

Something like: Vlasic/Burns, Stuart/Boyle, Murray/Braun would allow DW to cry out how he fixed the problem of over-saturation with right handed defensemen, or something like that, even it means weakening the overall talent on the roster to do so.

Oh and for the contract it-self, we should make this a contest. I'ma go with 3 years/10.5 mil with a full NMC.

I think youre pretty close on salary. Considering what is out there in the UFA market and trade market, Stuart makes the most logical sense for the Sharks. Giving up A. Murray and a 7th rd pick probably was overkill to get Stuart considering he was a free agent and wanted to play in SJ.

As far as Demers being expendable, thats a tough call. To ship Demers over Murray is almost a bad call, especially when you compare price/talent between Murray and Demers. I would say both players stock are down but long term the Sharks should stick with Demers to see if he can play the left side.

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Agreed.

Antti Niemi is only part of the problem but in my opinion he's the biggest problem (at least when it comes to the guys who actually put skates on). The thing about that is if Niemi doesn't get better next season, it might not matter what else they do to fix the other problems.

and there you have it.

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I think youre pretty close on salary. Considering what is out there in the UFA market and trade market, Stuart makes the most logical sense for the Sharks. Giving up A. Murray and a 7th rd pick probably was overkill to get Stuart considering he was a free agent and wanted to play in SJ.

As far as Demers being expendable, thats a tough call. To ship Demers over Murray is almost a bad call, especially when you compare price/talent between Murray and Demers. I would say both players stock are down but long term the Sharks should stick with Demers to see if he can play the left side.

It is definitely overkill. If the reports on him wishing to play in Cali were true, it was a two-team race between San Jose and Anaheim.

I agree the free-agent pool is pretty weak, but someone like Colaiacovo would be probably cost a amount less, is not already in decline-mode, and may actually be the better player right now!

Even if Demers cannot play the left side, he showed enough in the prior season, that he could handle playing on the 2nd pairing on the right side. Who knows what his offensive-upside is at this point, but the Sharks not exactly have many players in the pipe-line who can step in and replace Boyle's offense down the road. He also has a very favorable contract, which is something very few Shark players can boast about. If he were actually moved out and Murray kept, it would be really f'ing dumb.

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Is Stuart better than Murray? Yes. Should he be playing top four minutes on a supposed Cup Contender? After this past-season, I really have my doubts.

I agree. If they do move out Doug Murray for Brad Stuart, I'm not sure that's enough of an upgrade to really make a difference.

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I am hoping Douglas is on his way out.

And Clowe

I agree that it might be time to move them but if one or both of them are moved, it dramatically decreases the team's toughness. It may not be as important as it once was, but it's still an element of the game and one I think the San Jose Sharks were lacking in last year.

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For the contact, I'll go with 3 years, average of 2.85 million per.

That's my guess, not what I think it should be.

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I think this means the Sharks can move Murray but if they don't want to, it doesn't really make sense to move Demers. Even if he starts the season as the 7th d-man, he'll still likely play 55 games minimum and any veteran you sign in that role is likely near 1 million anyways. If you can get quality value for Demers, of course you consider moving him but you don't go dump him for a 3rd or 4th round pick...

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With how bad he was in the playoffs, there's no way he should be getting more than 2 years because unless he takes less $ up front, he won't be worth it by the 3rd year. That being said, I'd expect his deal will look like Oduya's extension.

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They should definitely get rid of Clowe. Will be glad to see Mitchell depart as well. I wouldn't mind keeping Murray. He was playing hurt (supposedly) last year and maybe he picks up his game a bit during a contract year. After last season I don't think his trade value is all that high right now anyway. I was shocked to see Marleau is only 32. He looks 39 on the ice.

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It is definitely overkill. If the reports on him wishing to play in Cali were true, it was a two-team race between San Jose and Anaheim.

I agree the free-agent pool is pretty weak, but someone like Colaiacovo would be probably cost a amount less, is not already in decline-mode, and may actually be the better player right now!

Even if Demers cannot play the left side, he showed enough in the prior season, that he could handle playing on the 2nd pairing on the right side. Who knows what his offensive-upside is at this point, but the Sharks not exactly have many players in the pipe-line who can step in and replace Boyle's offense down the road. He also has a very favorable contract, which is something very few Shark players can boast about. If he were actually moved out and Murray kept, it would be really f'ing dumb.

Colaiacavo would be a decent pick up, but the guy can not stay healthy. I dont think Stuart is in decline mode, his underlying numbers are pretty consistent and his point production is the same. And now he is someone who truly wants to be here and knows his role.

I think Burns can be that guy to replace a good portion of Boyle's production, its what Wilson is grooming him to be. From there, I can see Braun being capable of handling the 2nd pairing. Obviously, Demers is capable of playing 2nd pairing minutes, but when his RFA status is up and he is still playing 3rd pairing D, I can see him wanting to sign elsewhere. Basically, its a good problem to have for the Sharks.

Pipeline wise, the Sharks will have a couple of guys waiting to jump in the D core. This Tennyson kid intrigues me, as does Albetshauser. Both are about 2 years out from actually seeing any time in the bigs.

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Colaiacavo would be a decent pick up, but the guy can not stay healthy. I dont think Stuart is in decline mode, his underlying numbers are pretty consistent and his point production is the same. And now he is someone who truly wants to be here and knows his role.

I think Burns can be that guy to replace a good portion of Boyle's production, its what Wilson is grooming him to be. From there, I can see Braun being capable of handling the 2nd pairing. Obviously, Demers is capable of playing 2nd pairing minutes, but when his RFA status is up and he is still playing 3rd pairing D, I can see him wanting to sign elsewhere. Basically, its a good problem to have for the Sharks.

Pipeline wise, the Sharks will have a couple of guys waiting to jump in the D core. This Tennyson kid intrigues me, as does Albetshauser. Both are about 2 years out from actually seeing any time in the bigs.

Neither Burns or Braun are the type of puck mover Boyle/Demers are.

Thinking Burns or Braun can "replace" Boyle is silly. As Easy noted the other day, both Braun and Burns are triggers, Boyle is a QB.

RFAs have a very difficult time switching teams.

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Of note, he was on the ice for 7 of the 11 even strength goals that the Predators scored (he was a -5 in the series). He also happened to be on the ice for both of the power play goals that Nashville scored.

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Of note, he was on the ice for 7 of the 11 even strength goals that the Predators scored (he was a -5 in the series). He also happened to be on the ice for both of the power play goals that Nashville scored.

The Preds are not normal in some respects. They are a true 3 line team and they generally don't play matchup hockey.

My take is that Stuart is an absolute upgrade over buying another slowster vet. If this allows DW to forego slowster vets, fine. He can even unload Murray, but if he tops this with some dumb decisions around stacking over-the-hill vets, this will be a very disappointing off-season.

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The Preds are not normal in some respects. They are a true 3 line team and they generally don't play matchup hockey.

My take is that Stuart is an absolute upgrade over buying another slowster vet. If this allows DW to forego slowster vets, fine. He can even unload Murray, but if he tops this with some dumb decisions around stacking over-the-hill vets, this will be a very disappointing off-season.

So Stuart could just be an alternative to White and Vandermeer type deals?

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The Preds are not normal in some respects. They are a true 3 line team and they generally don't play matchup hockey.

My take is that Stuart is an absolute upgrade over buying another slowster vet. If this allows DW to forego slowster vets, fine. He can even unload Murray, but if he tops this with some dumb decisions around stacking over-the-hill vets, this will be a very disappointing off-season.

That's why I don't get the idea that this means a defensemen will be moved. It certainly gives the Sharks the flexibility for value but if not, they should just go into next season with 7 top six defensemen. Worst case scenario, they play 7 defensemen some nights and only dress 11 forwards.

Next step, move Niemi at the draft.

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